Monday, October 20, 2008

Ang Pag-Masilya (the act of puttying)

PROBLEM: In recent years there has been a new trend that I have observed being done by some painters & that is using Polituff body filler as a putty to putty down masonry (cemento) walls. The act of "minamasilya or mamasilya" is done to smoothen out minor wall imperfections so that your walls come out perfectly even & smooth. Actually I wasn't just an observer but I experienced this first hand. When I was repainting my daughters room, I hired this supposedly very experienced painter recommended to me by one of my contractor customers. When he gave me the list of items he needed, kasama doon yung Polituff Body Filler which is a putty used for automobiles. So I asked him, "Manong bat may Polituff dito sa order mo, eh di naman kotse yung papapintura ko ah?" And he answered "Yan na ang ginagamit namin ngayon, mabilis matuyo at matibay pa". Hearing this, I don't know why but it actually made sense since Polituff Body Filler is a 2 component system that comes with a hardener which when combined with the main mixture forms a tough putty, I didn't question him anymore and accepted his recommendation since I was rushing the whole repainting project. At sino ba naman ang aangal pag narinig ang mga salitang mabilis at matibay diba? So off he went, he finished everything in record time. Maganda naman yung wall, wala naman naging problema. Fast forward 6 months later, huge blotches now covered my daughters walls, all in the shape & color (dark pink) of the putty the painters used, puro mapa (maps) ang nakikita namin. Ang pangit talaga. In the end I had to hire another painter to fix this rush job, it was really a waste of time & money.
ANSWER: After what happened, I realized that Polituff was really meant to be used only for metal surfaces and was not suitable at all for masonry walls. Add to the fact that water based paints (latex) are normally used when painting these cemented walls, it's no wonder that the Polituff acted as if it leaked through since the chemical makeup of Polituff was probably too "matapang" for these water based paints to handle. Since this happened a few years back, I should note that at the time when I did my repainting project, the way our local painters do their masilya is by using Patching compound (a white powder like substance made from volcanic sand) mixed with enough paint to form a thick putty, in other words mano-mano sila. Polituff was probably used because it was already pre-mixed & dried fast - so in essence "tinamad si manong mag timpla ng masilya". But nowadays painters are veering away from this HUGE mistake in improper priming procedure with the introduction of products like Boysen Masonry Putty which is already pre-mixed & dries fully in 2 hours plus the cost is almost half that of Polituff, you basically use it straight out of the container. So now you can bet that I always warn homeowners whose painters order latex paint & Polituff at the same time. Don't make the same mistake I did.

26 comments:

nebenta said...

thank god i read your post!our painter just bought latex and polituff...hahah

Ms Gab said...

i'm about to start our painting project in a week and will now be purchasing the items listed by our 'mamang pintor'. there was 'pullituf' and latex paints in the list. i googled 'polituff' just to check on the spelling and your blog page came on top of the list. i'm very thankful that i decided to read your entry -- which i'm trusting -- will help a whole damn lot -- particularly in NOT LETTING OUR PAINTER USE POLITUFFon our cement walls. thanks! keep on blogging!

DIY! The right way the wrong way and my way! said...

I think the mistake of the painter was not to primer over the polituf instead he painted the top coat over the polituf directly. Had he primered it again you would not have the mapa stains.... then again why use polituff so expensive use Boysen masonry putty or even Acrycast, just the same you have to put another coat of primer over this and any masila...

Jericho Omanito said...
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Jericho Omanito said...

ginamit din po ng pintor ng bahay namin ang masilya. nagtutuklap nga po ang pintura ng kisame namin.

Unknown said...

ano po maganda pang masilya sa dugtungan nang kisame...ung hindi lumalabas ang guhit??

Unknown said...

meron po ba kayo kilala na mga nag mamasilya? mag papa masilya po sana ako ng bulk carrier / trailer ng semento.. kakatapos lang ng grinding works kaya need ma masilya. kung meron kayo kilala, kindly inform me na lang. text or call me at 09178591172. - Gelo

Unknown said...

hi every1

ask ko lang po panu po ba nag tamang process ng pag paint?( step by step) simula sa paglalason ng wall
*ano po ang tamang gamitin na pang masilya ng wood? ilang oras bago pinturahan? primer po ba muna bago masilya tapos original paint na or primer paint pa din bago ung final color?
*ano din po nag gingamit sa wall (semento) na masilya?
*panu po sa hardiflex ang pag paint?

iba iba po ba nag process ng pag paint or same lang lahat differ lang sa masilya sa kahoy, bato , hardiflex?
ano din po nag magandang pang filler sa mga dugtungan ng plywood?

magpapapint lang po para may idea ako sa buy ko na materyales

thank you

God bless u

Unknown said...

Good morning po.. Ano po ang magandang ihalo sa masilya powder para po sa semento..hindi po kasi namin alam ng asawa ko..DIY lang po kasi gagawin namin..thank you po

shocker said...

Polituff is used as well to fill in the crevices or gaps on fiber cements (hardieflex). They sand it too to smoothen the surface, and then apply non-sag epoxy, acrytex primer, and then top coat with acrylic paint. This is usually the order to prevent mositure or water from seeping in. Water disrupts the potifuff. Engr here, we do it lot of times. But if we're talking about wood, it's a different story. If buhos and CHB piling naman, it' best to use wallright then skimcoat bago magpaint.

shocker said...

Yung nilalagyan ng polituff ay mga holes from rivets, corners, edges, etc. Not all kinocover pero after sanding, non-sag agad all over, then same sa primer..

shocker said...

By all over, i mean to say, kung san lang nilagyan nang potifuff dun lang din ang lagyan ng nonsag.. think of it as a protective cover for the potifuff bago pinturahan ng primer ang buong surface.

Unknown said...

Anong name po pangmasilya nang kisame

Unknown said...

Anu po pwd pang masilya sa dugtungan ng plywood?asap

Unknown said...

Thanks nakatulong sa akin para to make good chioce. To paint walls

Unknown said...

Magpapintura ako ng side car ano ba una primer or masilya

Unknown said...

Ilan araw bago i rub ang pintura ng side car ko

Unknown said...

Ilan araw bago i rub ang pintura ng side car ko

Unknown said...

Magpapintura ako ng side car ano ba una primer or masilya

Unknown said...

Ano tawag sa parang tela nilalagay png kesame

Unknown said...

Magkano po ba ngayon ang singil magpamasilya Ng tricycle o sasakyan? Thank you Po sa sasagot ni
to. God bless

Unknown said...

What will happen if I apply the Body filler without mixing it to the hardener? Would it still cure with the healp of high room temperature or should I remove it completely?

Des said...

Hello po may paint na po ang wall,pero may kailangan balikan dahil bako bako ano po ang dapat na pang masilya?

Unknown said...

COD Gypsym board FIBER GLASS

TAGZ said...

Polituff para sa metal... Paint with epoxy, enamel and lacquer... Easy Tite cement at wood...

TAGZ said...

Acrytex dapat ginamit.... Kung latex masilya mo easy Tite, skim coat o masonry putty